Comments on: Business as Usual http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/ Salvation Army dialogue with the Territorial Commander of the USA Western Territory. Mon, 21 May 2012 04:29:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: John Duthie http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2143 John Duthie Sun, 05 Apr 2009 09:41:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2143 The army records attendances for everything, so they figures must be available, hopefully we can get some official figures posted here. The army records attendances for everything, so they figures must be available, hopefully we can get some official figures posted here.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2068 Anonymous Fri, 06 Mar 2009 12:16:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2068 Although this is not the topic of the post, I wanted to ask a question of those writing about attendance. <br/><br/>What are you classing 'attendance at worship' as? Be aware that 'worship' is not just Sunday meetings!<br/><br/>Let me challenge you to go along to your local Corps and spend every day there, possibly from 7am till 10pm (if not all the hours in between) and see the people that your Corps Officer and leaders are meeting with. Sit in a Mainly Music, Community Lunch, Playgroup, Companion Club, Home Bible Study, Home League, Youth group, Street or Sports Ministry.... I think you will discover that 'church attendance' needs to be counted by more than just how many seats are being filled on Sunday!!!<br/><br/>Are numbers really declining? May God continue to bless The Salvation Army and those with the passion to serve! Although this is not the topic of the post, I wanted to ask a question of those writing about attendance.

What are you classing ‘attendance at worship’ as? Be aware that ‘worship’ is not just Sunday meetings!

Let me challenge you to go along to your local Corps and spend every day there, possibly from 7am till 10pm (if not all the hours in between) and see the people that your Corps Officer and leaders are meeting with. Sit in a Mainly Music, Community Lunch, Playgroup, Companion Club, Home Bible Study, Home League, Youth group, Street or Sports Ministry…. I think you will discover that ‘church attendance’ needs to be counted by more than just how many seats are being filled on Sunday!!!

Are numbers really declining? May God continue to bless The Salvation Army and those with the passion to serve!

]]> By: Russell http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2067 Russell Fri, 06 Mar 2009 05:56:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2067 I agree with you John. <br/><br/>The figures should be easy enough to obtain. Otherwise Christian Research Association should be able to help. <br/><br/>From my observations of different Corps around Victoria, anon's suppositions do seem to have some merit. But let's get the facts. I agree with you John.

The figures should be easy enough to obtain. Otherwise Christian Research Association should be able to help.

From my observations of different Corps around Victoria, anon’s suppositions do seem to have some merit. But let’s get the facts.

]]> By: John Duthie http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2066 John Duthie Thu, 05 Mar 2009 12:42:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2066 HI, just wondering what are the attendances at worship in the territory for each of the last 5 years... that would be long enough to give a picture of whats going on. You hear in the media that attendances are going down, but what is the real picture ? HI, just wondering what are the attendances at worship in the territory for each of the last 5 years… that would be long enough to give a picture of whats going on. You hear in the media that attendances are going down, but what is the real picture ?

]]> By: Jim Knaggs http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2064 Jim Knaggs Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:26:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2064 Thanks Jeff and anon.<br/><br/>Anon. Whilst you're welcome to your opinions, your suppositions about the recent decline in the territory are unsubstantiated. If you'll read the blog again, you'll discover that business as usual is not wrong or right as long as our efforts value the extraordinary promise of God. Thanks Jeff and anon.

Anon. Whilst you’re welcome to your opinions, your suppositions about the recent decline in the territory are unsubstantiated. If you’ll read the blog again, you’ll discover that business as usual is not wrong or right as long as our efforts value the extraordinary promise of God.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/03/04/business-as-usual/comment-page-1/#comment-2063 Anonymous Thu, 05 Mar 2009 02:40:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=753#comment-2063 The term "Business as usual" is supposed to call people back to their main reason for existence.<br/>It doesn't imply keeping the status quo. It implies a refocus on the core business. Any business that deviates too far from its main purpose for long finds itself in trouble. <br/><br/>It's unfortunate that Eugene Petersen added to the text of Ezekiel using a deviation of this great phrase. If the land of Israel was going about "business as usual" according to their original purpose as a nation, they would never have experienced the Syriac disaster.<br/> <br/>Considering the overall decline in this Territory of soldiers made and attendance at worship (particularly over the past couple of years), maybe it's time that TSA got back to "business as usual"? The term “Business as usual” is supposed to call people back to their main reason for existence.
It doesn’t imply keeping the status quo. It implies a refocus on the core business. Any business that deviates too far from its main purpose for long finds itself in trouble.

It’s unfortunate that Eugene Petersen added to the text of Ezekiel using a deviation of this great phrase. If the land of Israel was going about “business as usual” according to their original purpose as a nation, they would never have experienced the Syriac disaster.

Considering the overall decline in this Territory of soldiers made and attendance at worship (particularly over the past couple of years), maybe it’s time that TSA got back to “business as usual”?

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