Comments on: More Victorian Bush Fires http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/ Salvation Army dialogue with the Territorial Commander of the USA Western Territory. Fri, 10 Feb 2012 12:54:48 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: John Duthie http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2029 John Duthie Sat, 14 Feb 2009 02:16:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2029 Jack, if you take the bible literally in the areas of Hell and what gets you to Hell, then the answers would have to be YES, majority of the people who perished in the fire were not saved, and therefore will be in Hell. But thats NOT my view, and I am NOT a fundamentalist Christian. I don't take everything in the bible literally, and therefore I don't condemn people to Hell, I can't see a loving God would do this. In years gone by, the threat of going to Hell was a guilt tripe used by churches in an attempt to keep the numbers up in the pews, and its not working these days with people in society. A better approach is to love everyone, and accept everyone, an all inclusive church, where no one is condemned to Hell. Jack, if you take the bible literally in the areas of Hell and what gets you to Hell, then the answers would have to be YES, majority of the people who perished in the fire were not saved, and therefore will be in Hell. But thats NOT my view, and I am NOT a fundamentalist Christian. I don’t take everything in the bible literally, and therefore I don’t condemn people to Hell, I can’t see a loving God would do this. In years gone by, the threat of going to Hell was a guilt tripe used by churches in an attempt to keep the numbers up in the pews, and its not working these days with people in society. A better approach is to love everyone, and accept everyone, an all inclusive church, where no one is condemned to Hell.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2012 Anonymous Tue, 10 Feb 2009 05:37:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2012 It's because God gave us free-will and our disobedience of Him that these things happen David - it's our choice, not His. He gets blamed for a lot of things, but not often thanked - yeah?<br/><br/>Vanessa It’s because God gave us free-will and our disobedience of Him that these things happen David – it’s our choice, not His. He gets blamed for a lot of things, but not often thanked – yeah?

Vanessa

]]> By: Jack http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2011 Jack Tue, 10 Feb 2009 02:39:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2011 Anon, you said "Those who have passed away in this tragedy will have comfort now, a greater joy than they have ever known" - according to traditional Christian theology, the majority of those that perished are now in a place of eternal fire. What are your thoughts on that? Anon, you said “Those who have passed away in this tragedy will have comfort now, a greater joy than they have ever known” – according to traditional Christian theology, the majority of those that perished are now in a place of eternal fire. What are your thoughts on that?

]]> By: Anonymous http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2010 Anonymous Tue, 10 Feb 2009 01:07:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2010 Not sure what verse or the actual wording of scripture but it goes something like "the joy that is to be revealed cannot even be compared to the suffering we experience in this life". Or "no eye has seen and no ear has heard of the glory that is yet to be revealed"<br/><br/>Thos who have passed away in this tragedy will have comfort now, a greater joy than they have ever known. I would hate that there is no God, because I would hate to believe that these people perished and that's it, the end, no hope. That would not be fair. Not sure what verse or the actual wording of scripture but it goes something like “the joy that is to be revealed cannot even be compared to the suffering we experience in this life”. Or “no eye has seen and no ear has heard of the glory that is yet to be revealed”

Thos who have passed away in this tragedy will have comfort now, a greater joy than they have ever known. I would hate that there is no God, because I would hate to believe that these people perished and that’s it, the end, no hope. That would not be fair.

]]> By: Anonymous http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2009 Anonymous Tue, 10 Feb 2009 00:06:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2009 Where was God when my life was seemingly destroyed by the selfish acts of another person? Where was God when my sister was killed in a tragic collision? Where was God when I sat with a mother dying of cancer as her 3 year old sat by her side? He was right there with us!!<br/><br/>It was BECAUSE of God that I got through my own experiences. I didn't understand why I had to face these things, why does anyone have to deal with such pain and loss, personally my preference would be to not have to face such hardship. But it was in those times that I experienced the overwhelming peace, strength and protection from God. My personal experiences cannot be argued because I felt His presence, I know His love and I now minister to others who face pain and grief. God is not a distant God, He is crying with us, loving us and has promised to never leave us. Where was God when my life was seemingly destroyed by the selfish acts of another person? Where was God when my sister was killed in a tragic collision? Where was God when I sat with a mother dying of cancer as her 3 year old sat by her side? He was right there with us!!

It was BECAUSE of God that I got through my own experiences. I didn’t understand why I had to face these things, why does anyone have to deal with such pain and loss, personally my preference would be to not have to face such hardship. But it was in those times that I experienced the overwhelming peace, strength and protection from God. My personal experiences cannot be argued because I felt His presence, I know His love and I now minister to others who face pain and grief. God is not a distant God, He is crying with us, loving us and has promised to never leave us.

]]> By: Annette Hill http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/02/09/more-victorian-bush-fires/comment-page-1/#comment-2008 Annette Hill Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:17:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=731#comment-2008 The response is amazing. I want to be part of the solution, not one of the finger pointers. This is NOT the time for arguing, it is time to work together for those who have been devastated. The response is amazing. I want to be part of the solution, not one of the finger pointers. This is NOT the time for arguing, it is time to work together for those who have been devastated.

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