Comments on: Heat Wave http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/ Salvation Army dialogue with the Territorial Commander of the USA Western Territory. Mon, 21 May 2012 04:29:45 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.2 By: John Duthie http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1997 John Duthie Fri, 06 Feb 2009 12:37:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1997 Its great we can chat like this, and agree to disagree. <br/><br/>To the TC, you are very clever in your replies, and maybe that is why you are the TC :-)<br/><br/>You replied with <br/>1) a list of bible verses<br/>2) a quote from someone else<br/><br/>Thats a sure way of avoiding having to share your views and getting 1/2 the people offside :-)<br/><br/>There are numerous mentions of Hell in the bible, thats for sure, and what might you need to do to get there, I just find that sometimes God reminds me of a person with manic depression. <br/><br/>God can't make his mind up as to whether He wants to send us to Hell or Heaven.<br/><br/>I don't mean any offence to God or anyone else with this discussion, its just hard to understand a God who loves everyone, and who inspired mankind to make a list of behaviours that will condemn someone to Hell ( whatever that is ).<br/><br/>And Jack, thanks for your comments, I've been critical in the past of cadets that go to training college, thinking they are all fundamentalists, especially after the training is over, however I've noticed that some of the ex cadets ( now officers ) are a little more liberal than I had expected. Its almost as if the cadets know they have to act like fundamentalists to pass training college, and then when they get out, they are then free to be a little more liberal, and they do great things for God. Its great we can chat like this, and agree to disagree.

To the TC, you are very clever in your replies, and maybe that is why you are the TC :-)

You replied with
1) a list of bible verses
2) a quote from someone else

Thats a sure way of avoiding having to share your views and getting 1/2 the people offside :-)

There are numerous mentions of Hell in the bible, thats for sure, and what might you need to do to get there, I just find that sometimes God reminds me of a person with manic depression.

God can’t make his mind up as to whether He wants to send us to Hell or Heaven.

I don’t mean any offence to God or anyone else with this discussion, its just hard to understand a God who loves everyone, and who inspired mankind to make a list of behaviours that will condemn someone to Hell ( whatever that is ).

And Jack, thanks for your comments, I’ve been critical in the past of cadets that go to training college, thinking they are all fundamentalists, especially after the training is over, however I’ve noticed that some of the ex cadets ( now officers ) are a little more liberal than I had expected. Its almost as if the cadets know they have to act like fundamentalists to pass training college, and then when they get out, they are then free to be a little more liberal, and they do great things for God.

]]> By: Jack http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1993 Jack Mon, 02 Feb 2009 12:13:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1993 Jason & Cameron you wacky liberals, can you find me some true blue fundies that will tell me how I deserve to burn forever? Are they too busy unpacking at the training college? Jason & Cameron you wacky liberals, can you find me some true blue fundies that will tell me how I deserve to burn forever? Are they too busy unpacking at the training college?

]]> By: Cameron Horsburgh http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1992 Cameron Horsburgh Mon, 02 Feb 2009 11:18:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1992 I find it amusing that hat is probably Jim's shortest post of all time has drawn the longest discussion! I find it amusing that hat is probably Jim’s shortest post of all time has drawn the longest discussion!

]]> By: JDK http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1991 JDK Mon, 02 Feb 2009 10:44:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1991 And I thought the "Women in Ministry" post had stirred up some comments ;-) And I thought the “Women in Ministry” post had stirred up some comments ;-)

]]> By: Jim Knaggs http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1990 Jim Knaggs Mon, 02 Feb 2009 09:11:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1990 From J.I. Packer: "Scripture sees hell as self-chosen; those in hell will realize that they sentenced themselves to it by loving darkness rather than light, choosing not to have their Creator as their Lord, preferring self-indulgent sin to self-denying righteousness, and (if they encountered the gospel) rejecting Jesus rather than coming to him (John 3:18-21; Rom. 1:18, 24, 26, 28, 32; 2:8; 2 Thess. 2:9-11). General revelation confronts all mankind with this issue, and from this standpoint hell appears as God's gesture of respect for human choice. All receive what they actually chose, either to be with God forever, worshiping him, or without God forever, worshiping themselves. Those who are in hell will know not only that for their doings they deserve it but also that in their hearts they chose it.<br/>The purpose of Bible teaching about hell is to make us appreciate, thankfully embrace, and rationally prefer the grace of Christ that saves us from it (Matt. 5:29-30; 13:48-50). It is really a mercy to mankind that God in Scripture is so explicit about hell. We cannot now say that we have not been warned."<br/>Concise Theology: A Guide to Historic Christian Beliefs. From J.I. Packer: “Scripture sees hell as self-chosen; those in hell will realize that they sentenced themselves to it by loving darkness rather than light, choosing not to have their Creator as their Lord, preferring self-indulgent sin to self-denying righteousness, and (if they encountered the gospel) rejecting Jesus rather than coming to him (John 3:18-21; Rom. 1:18, 24, 26, 28, 32; 2:8; 2 Thess. 2:9-11). General revelation confronts all mankind with this issue, and from this standpoint hell appears as God’s gesture of respect for human choice. All receive what they actually chose, either to be with God forever, worshiping him, or without God forever, worshiping themselves. Those who are in hell will know not only that for their doings they deserve it but also that in their hearts they chose it.
The purpose of Bible teaching about hell is to make us appreciate, thankfully embrace, and rationally prefer the grace of Christ that saves us from it (Matt. 5:29-30; 13:48-50). It is really a mercy to mankind that God in Scripture is so explicit about hell. We cannot now say that we have not been warned.”
Concise Theology: A Guide to Historic Christian Beliefs.

]]> By: Jack http://tcspeak.com/blog/2009/01/29/heat-wave/comment-page-1/#comment-1989 Jack Mon, 02 Feb 2009 04:31:00 +0000 http://tcspeak.com/blog/?p=721#comment-1989 Salvo in Tas, "23 Minutes in Hell" is a book written by a man who I think just had a very scary dream and has managed to make a lot of money out of gullible Christians. If hell is truly a place of eternal torture, no one deserves to go there, not even the most monstrous figures in history. Yet according to standard Christian doctrine, the majority of people on earth are going there. A 'God' that allows such a place to exist, allows people to be born knowing that will be their fate, is truly evil. Salvo in Tas, “23 Minutes in Hell” is a book written by a man who I think just had a very scary dream and has managed to make a lot of money out of gullible Christians. If hell is truly a place of eternal torture, no one deserves to go there, not even the most monstrous figures in history. Yet according to standard Christian doctrine, the majority of people on earth are going there. A ‘God’ that allows such a place to exist, allows people to be born knowing that will be their fate, is truly evil.

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